it is like boarding a ship, without any lifeboats or even life-vests, and setting sail in search of...
So here are my notes for 8x03. I have been editing 8x01 and 8x02 because I’m trying to make my note taking as...
By the time the sun’s all the way up his stomach is rumbling....
(2) The double line story doesn’t make much sense to me unless they cross with each other at some point, but after 8.17, Cas’ story never really crossed with the Winchesters in an essential way. He’s separated from Dean and Sam for both season finales, and they were up to different things basically. From the spoiler for season 10 such trend will continue. And do you think it’s a good thing for Cas’ future on the show or do you think the writers don’t know what to do with him?
I think the writers know exactly what they’re doing, and that Cas is so much a part of the show now that to take him out of it would cripple it, if not outright kill it.
From the spoilers I’ve read, I think Dean and Cas will start out with separate storylines, but Cas will eventually team up with Sam to find a way to save Dean, and in the process, find a way to save himself. (My money is on Cas’ grace problem being the thing that finally pushes Dean back toward human.)
Actually, I think their storylines have already started to converge—it was only after he found out Dean had the Mark of Cain that Cas called up his angel army, and that’s where Cas’ storyline started to come back toward Dean’s. They’re still separate, but they’re no longer parallel.
Before, it was always the Winchesters who needed Cas. Now Cas is the one who needs the Winchesters, because he can’t depend on the angels in the same way he did before he pulled Dean out of hell.
Cas’ position in heaven is tenuous at the end of season 9; angels know that his grace is fading, and they also know how he got the grace he does have. Even if some of them offer to sacrifice themselves in order to keep him going, though, he’s going to refuse. After all the angels he killed in the civil war, he was adamant all through season 9 that angels killing angels has to stop. He only called the angels to him because he felt like he had no other choice—a strong theme in season 9—and even then, they were mostly trying to track down Metatron.
He doesn’t want to be their leader, and his understanding of humanity is different now that he knows what it’s actually like to be human. That’s not something the angels are ever going to be able to understand. The Winchesters have changed him so much that he’s incapable of fitting back into the niche he once occupied in Heaven. And he never quite fit it properly anyway. So the only place he really can fit now is with Sam and Dean—not entirely human, but not entirely angel any more either, especially now that his grace is burning out.
In Season 5, Dean defined Team Free Will as himself, Sam, and Cas. It’s been very clear over the last two seasons that Carver is addressing that toxic part of Sam and Dean’s relationship, with the end goal of rebuilding it into something a lot healthier. (I don’t think those two can ever have a truly healthy relationship without decades of therapy, but they can at least get to a point where they’ve gotten off the Winchester merry-go-round and can lead mostly independent lives.) But Sam and Dean are like a vine growing around a tree—it’s not possible to disentangle them without damage. Something’s going to break, usually the vine.
The problem is, Sam functions better with Dean, but we’ve seen over and over since season 7 that Dean functions better with Cas, who functions better with Dean, who functions better with Sam. Which means that to function best, you need all three, and there’s another vine around the tree.
In order to fix Sam and Dean’s relationship, Carver has to disentangle them and get them to a place where they support each other but don’t strangle one another, and as of Season 7, if you’re disentangling Sam and Dean, you also have to disentangle Cas. That’s why we saw Dean have to tell Cas goodbye over and over in season 9, because Dean Winchester does not let go easily. (I feel you on that, Dean, I really do…)
To pursue a different metaphor, Cas said that a third wheel adds stability, but it also necessitates a reconfiguration of the vehicle so everything balances in a different way in order to function smoothly. If you only add one training wheel to a bicycle, for instance, it’s going to lean to one side because one wheel is smaller than the others. You can remove that third wheel and still have the bike function. That was Cas at first, throwing off Dean’s balance.
What Carver is doing with the two separate storylines is making that third wheel the same size as the other two, because Cas is now so important to Dean that he spent a year in Purgatory—when he had an easy way out and back to Sam, that he could have taken any time after he found Benny—and rewrote his memories because failing Cas was less painful than being rejected. Cas is just as important to Dean as Sam, now, even if we’re not talking a romantic relationship. (But we so are…)
In Season 8, we started seeing Cas as someone who had his own problems and ambitions, separate from Dean. He always had those things, of course, but Cas had always been shown in relation to Dean—everything we saw him doing was all about what Dean needed. We heard a lot about the angel civil war, but we hardly saw any of it, and that only as it related to Dean.
In the Carver era, we’re seeing Cas functioning independently of Dean, the same way we saw Sam functioning without Dean in the year they were apart. Neither of them did it particularly well, but they did it. Now we have Demon!Dean, who’s functioning independently of everybody, even himself. This is crucial, because Dean’s been tearing himself open for Sam and Cas for years, and now he has a chance to see what he’s been doing without that very strong guilt filter in the way. Once that happens, he can let those wounds heal, and when he eventually becomes human, or at least mostly human, again, he’ll be able to reconstruct his relationship with Sam in a way that won’t keep tearing him open over and over.
And that will give him a chance to deal with his relationship with Cas without having to choose between them.
“Well, I can tell you that he’s kind of cool and his name is Cole. He is someone from Dean’s past who is looking for Dean for reasons totally unrelated to what’s going on with the demon/Mark of Cain story. He’s a guy that has a terrific amount of hunting skills but he’s not a hunter in our sense of the word. He has no idea that the monster world exists so imagine his surprise when he comes across the man he’s been hunting and he is something other than human. He’s a pretty cool character.”
- Jeremy Carver on the new mysterious character, that is hunting Dean (x)
First of all: There really doesn’t go by one day without ones brain getting blown up with about 3000 new headcanons and ideas about S10 and Demon!Dean, is it? Really, I have said this about a million times before, but I think S10 really has the potential to be one of the best season of SPN as much as one is able to grasp from spoilers. How it plays out on screen of course is a whole other thing, but just reading this small thing right here makes me so so curious and frankly it put some more fuel to my imagination, therefore have a short list of CRAZY thoughts:
1.The NAME. The freaking NAME!!! I mean, I’m sure I am not the only one, who immediately thought, well Cole isn’t too terribly far off from Colette. What if this character - and I knwo people are going to hate me for even thinking this - will be the one who will have major influence on Dean’s decision to become human again? What if Cole is Dean’s Colette?
2. The name Cole and how Carver talks about him may be misleading. What if he consciously misleads and Cole isn’t a guy at all, but a woman. A woman, who looks for Dean, because he hooked up with her back in the day and she got pregnant and now wants Dean to meet his son or daughter. Maybe the kid needs a kidney or whatever or the mother is sick and going to die and she wants Dean to take care of their child.
3. Cole is not a hunter in the sense of the word. What the heck is he then? What does it mean??? Hunting skills might mean the ability to connect the dots and track people down. Is he a cop maybe? Or a real hunter?
4. Dean knows Cole from his time at Sonny’s. They’ve been best friends or at least somehow close. Either Cole was living at Sonny’s as well or Dean knew him from school (maybe the wrestling team)?
5. Dean at some point may have saved Cole’s life. Not from something supernatural, but from something else and now, years later, is trying to find him, because something happened to him that made him want to re-connect.
6. Nothing too serious, but something noteworthy nontheless. Once again it’s a guy that seeminly is interested in Dean (for whatever reasons). I just find it interesting that it’s always guys. Shipping aside. It’s always guys Dean connects with more and on a deeper level. Cas, Benny, even Gadreel.
7. This isn’t really spec or anything at all, just a crazy wish for who I’d want to see as Cole (if he turns out being a guy): Michael Malarkey. I have no idea why, but he just popped into my head. I admit maybe because I really loved him and his character on TVD. :)
Other than that, I also found this response of Carver interesting about Dean’s and Crowley’s relationship:
How is Demon Dean’s new supernatural status going to affect his growing relationship with Crowley?
"Where we left off, Crowley was very much in the mind that these two would basically go on one long pub crawl. That’s where Crowley was emotionally, but Dean has different ideas. That’s pretty much where we’ll pick up. I think it will become very clear that Crowley has certain designs for Dean and one of the central conflicts of the season is, is he going to take up the offer that Crowley has made him? Their relationship will be tested in the early episodes of the season."
Oh Crowley, the honeymoon is over fast. :) I cannot wait to see him desperate and realizing that Demon!Dean is completely out of his league and that when he offers Dean to work for him as his knight - co-running hell - Dean just goes on to say: "Naaah, I’d rather be king." and send Crowley flying across the room. :)
I know, nothing of it is naywhere close to being the case, but damn am I excited and damn do these spoilers spark ideas… :)
I don’t want to fan too many flames of speculation here - just like if we get upset about what we read in our tea leaves, all that happens is that we get upset, if we get too excited about what we read in our tea leaves we’re just setting ourselves up for disappointment - but if, at 19-20 years old, Dean was “the best night of [Lisa’s] life”… presumably he’d been around the block at least a couple times before that. It’s not out of the question for Dean to have an 18-year-old son and honestly that would be PERFECT in a lot of ways for what they seem to be doing with the plot here and the ongoing theme of Daddy Issues. It would also explain why Carver didn’t want to drop the actor’s name; if we look him up and find a guy in his 30s there’s a lot of possibilities but a lot fewer if the actor turns out to be 20.
What can you tell me about this mysterious other character that is also on the hunt for Dean in addition to Sam hunting his brother?
Well, I can tell you that he’s kind of cool and his name is Cole. He is someone from Dean’s past who is looking for Dean for reasons totally unrelated to what’s going on with the demon/Mark of Cain story. He’s a guy that has a terrific amount of hunting skills but he’s not a hunter in our sense of the word. He has no idea that the monster world exists so imagine his surprise when he comes across the man he’s been hunting and he is something other than human. He’s a pretty cool character.
So the musical episode sounds like it’s going to not be Sam or Dean or Cas singing but rather actors in a play, based on the description in this interview. And in one sense I’m sort of disappointed because I rlly wanted to see them all singing but in another sense I’m even more excited? If this…
I’m wondering if the episode will involve some sort of musical adaptation of the Carver Edlund books. Hence the, y’know, “love letter to the fans” comment.
That’s definitely what it sounds like to me? That’s what Jared made it sound like in the interview anyways. Not what I was expecting from this episode, but then again…I didn’t know what to expect tbh. :3
I am so damn terrified about this episode, you have no idea.
Because I do not trust that TPTB’s idea of a love letter to the fans is actually going to come across to US as that.
I’d probably be worried about that, too, if it was anyone writing it other than Robbie Thompson. Out of all the writers, he seems to “get” the fans, and I think his sense of humor hits about the right note for this…